How do I balance showing empathy and humility, but still keeping my masculinity?

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I talk about this all the time, and I think it's important for us to kind of flush this out.

So, but before we do, I got to say I'm really excited for Christmas because a certain someone

drew my name. So, I'm usually not the one who's famous for giving the best gifts in the family.

I think you are and Rex is, or brother Rex is like, anytime Rex gets your name drawn,

then you're pretty happy. But yeah, I mean, I think you drew me a couple years and I got some

great gifts. So, and then a couple years I didn't. Tell you what, you hooked me up last year

because you had me last year and you gave me a new pair of hike and boots and they were awesome.

I'm glad you like them. I'll just let you know that I went a little bit, I was proactive this year,

and I'm pretty happy and excited about it. Hopefully it'll be something you know.

I hope you know, you just give me a smile and a good episode on the Real Talk Recovery Podcast,

and that's all I want. All right, man, well, then you got the smile right now. So, let's bust out

the episode. Yeah, let's get the episode going here. Let's get, let's get moving. So,

so today, it's just me and you, Brandon, but this is a question that comes all the time through

my practice. I'm sure you run into it the same thing. I actually just had a pretty spirited like

discussion and almost a debate in one of my men's groups this week around this question. And so,

here's, let me, let me set it up for you. It's this idea that when sale, we're working with a man

who has betrayed his wife. On one hand, when they come into recovery, they're flooded with messages

like you need to stay humble, you need to cultivate a soft heart, you need to show godly sorrow,

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