I'm not pulling on my driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for the drive to work at home edition.

Okay, so today I am Glenn Jones, and we're going to talk about the making of the Lord of the Rings, Tales of Middle Earth.

Okay, Glenn, welcome.

Great to be here, yeah. For those who don't know, I was a principal designer at Wizards of the Coast,

and I was the set design lead for Lord of the Rings, the main set, as well as the ancillary product.

We haven't really seen much of, but you've seen some snapshots of coming later this year.

Okay, so let's start at the very beginning. You find out you're going to be leaving Lord of the Rings.

How do you prepare for something like that?

Well, first, I was very excited.

I had not led the set design of a booster set at all.

Up to that point, I had led the vision design for Commander Legends, Balders Gates,

and I'd been on a few teams, of course,

but hadn't led a booster set through to completion.

So that was very exciting.

The Lord of the Rings is also just like a deeply important work to me personally.

It's one of the earliest books I remember reading, which probably sounds super dumb and bizarre.

But yeah, in third grade, I had a teacher who really heavily emphasized reading and the Lord of the Rings was one of the sets of books in his library and I devoured them.

They were fantastic and really instilled probably like the actual first like true high fantasy books I read.

So very important to me in that regard.

And then also I was just doing a ton of our universes beyond work at that point.

I've done several, I'm not sure exactly how many different universes beyond products.

So I felt like I had a really strong grasp of how to translate IPs into the

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