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The Next Level

1046: Secret Podcast: The Government Keeps Shooting Civilians

The Next Level

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.83.2K Ratings

🗓️ 10 January 2026

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

Sarah and JVL talk about the new video from the ICE agent as he killed Renee Good. It’s tough and they’re not sure quite where we go from here. Is the rule of law real? Or is everything might makes right?

Also: Trump probably gets away with Venezuela, too. Good times.

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0:00.0

Hello, everyone. This is JVL here with my best friend, Sarah Longwell, publisher of the bulwark.

0:06.2

We are, A, coming to you quite late on Friday. Normally, we do this thing at like 7 o'clock in the morning.

0:12.4

Couldn't make that happen today. Sorry. And B, we're coming to you about a minute and a half

0:18.3

after watching the cell phone video taken by the shooter

0:26.2

who killed the woman in Minneapolis, the unarmed woman Renee Good two days ago.

0:46.2

And I, this is one of those moments where I, I'm sorry, we are just going to have to be very real with you.

0:47.0

You are getting unfiltered reactions of the two of us.

0:54.0

And Sarah, do you want to go first?

0:58.0

I don't know, man. I was trying to decide. You know, I asked you before we started, like, should we, should we do this?

1:05.2

Because I am, I am just so angry watching this. And part of what is, okay, there is two different layers

1:18.0

of the anger. There is the incident itself, which should never have happened. And I, I can't help

1:27.0

but thinking, you know, when somebody who is

1:31.2

here illegally kills an American, one of the things that people say that I totally make sense to me

1:37.7

is they say, well, this is sort of a double tragedy in the sense that that person wasn't supposed to

1:43.9

be here. And now this person's dead, right? And that makes sense. That is how I feel about this ice shooting. They shouldn't have been there. There is no reason for them to have been there. They are going into communities. The reason is to trigger the

2:03.5

lips. Yeah, they're going into communities. And they are making them less safe. And here's the,

2:11.5

so that's, that's one layer of it. It's just the, the, it was a, it was an entirely avoidable tragedy,

2:20.3

uh, that is happening because Donald Trump is building this paramilitary force that is in the

2:28.2

streets of America's neighborhoods. Just, and look, I still, it's like unclear to me what they were doing there in the

2:36.2

first place but the new footage to me and this is this is sort of gets to the second layer of

2:43.9

the anger which is that they are lying about all of it like like jd vance so Vance, so J.D. Vance takes that video, okay?

2:54.4

And he says, watch this as hard as it is.

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