1045: Venezuela Exposes the Lie of America First
The Next Level
The Bulwark
4.8 • 3.2K Ratings
🗓️ 7 January 2026
⏱️ 70 minutes
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Summary
Sarah, Tim and JVL discuss the legality and consequences of the Venezuela operation, the emerging split between “America First” and “Trump First,” Stephen Miller’s grotesque worldview, and why Greenland suddenly feels less hypothetical. They also debate the legacy of neoconservatism and Iraq, MAGA influencer drama, and GOP dysfunction in Congress.
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| 0:00.0 | Sarah wanted to defend the Iraq war so that all of the people in the comments, especially on |
| 0:06.8 | YouTube, can be super duper happy with her. Go. Hello, everyone. This is JVL here with my best friends, |
| 0:17.8 | Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller of the bulwark. We're back and everything |
| 0:21.9 | is terrible again. We closed out the new year with a little bit of opium about like, oh, he's on |
| 0:28.7 | the downslide. It's all, it's all going to be fine. It's all gravy from here. Going to take back |
| 0:34.4 | the House and the Senate 2026. Oh, none of my podcast. Oh a worse shelf life than the John Heilman podcast on New Year's Eve. |
| 0:43.1 | I like opened up my feed on January 3rd and I was like, |
| 0:46.5 | this headline doesn't seem right anymore. |
| 0:50.3 | Whatever. |
| 0:51.3 | Well, |
| 0:51.8 | but on the other hand, |
| 0:52.9 | your prediction podcast where I think he might |
| 0:56.1 | doing someone with Venezuela, boom. Two for two. I, two out of three so far, I think, you know, |
| 1:01.6 | because I predicted that we're going to do the Don Roe doctrine and go into Venezuela or Greenland. |
| 1:06.5 | I said he'd have a health event. Looks like he has scurvy today. So that might have happened. Is he a pirate now? Yeah, I don't think scurvy still exist. Donald Trump has procured it or RFK. If anyone could bring it back, it would be our Secretary of Health and Human Services. So two for three. So that's good. That's right, Javiel. Thanks for boosted me a little bit there. Yeah, that's right. So two for three. So that's good. That's, you're right, Javiel. Thanks for |
| 1:27.5 | boosted me a little bit there. Yeah, that's right. So, uh, we had a little bit of a, |
| 1:33.5 | there was a mini bulwark slack crisis over the weekend when, as all of us were trying to |
| 1:39.3 | just eke the last few hours of time out with our families, the President of the United States, |
| 1:44.2 | kidnapped, sorry, arrested through a law enforcement operation that he won't brief the Senate |
| 1:51.1 | Judiciary Committee. Anyway, through some sort of operation, I guess it's called the guerrilla |
| 1:57.4 | operation, the operation of the strong, went into Venezuela and abducted |
| 2:04.3 | the sitting president, the illegitimate, but sitting president of Venezuela, the criminal |
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