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🗓️ 3 March 2025
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Anne-Laure Le Cunff explains the problem with how we approach goals—and why experimenting is key to fulfillment.
— YOU’LL LEARN —
1) The two approaches to setting goals
2) The fallacy that leads to regret
3) How to handle frustrations and disappointments
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— ABOUT ANNE-LAURE —
Anne-Laure Le Cunff is a former Googler who decided to go back to university to pursue a PhD in neuroscience. As the founder of Ness Labs and the author of its widely read newsletter, she is the foremost expert on mindful productivity and systematic curiosity. She writes about evidence-based ways for people to navigate uncertainty and make the most of their minds. She lives in London, where she continues to research and teach people how to apply scientific insights to real-world challenges.
• Book: Tiny Experiments: How to Live Freely in a Goal-Obsessed World
• Website: Ness Labs
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0:00.0 | A lot of people discover sources of happiness in their life, not because they had a perfect vision of what that would look like, but because they put themselves in lots of different situations. |
0:20.1 | Talk to a lot of people, discovered new perspectives, |
0:23.1 | got outside of their comfort zone and tried these new things, |
0:26.2 | and then they experienced that happiness. |
0:36.4 | That's Anne Lour Lecomf. |
0:38.1 | She's a former Googler turned neuroscientist and the founder of Nest Labs. |
0:41.7 | And today, she's sharing some neuroscience wisdom from her latest book, Tiny Experiments, |
0:46.4 | How to Live Freely in a Goal Obsessed World. |
0:48.6 | So you'll learn, one, the two approaches to setting goals. |
0:52.0 | Two, the fallacy that leads to regret. |
0:55.2 | And three, how to handle frustrations and disappointments. |
0:58.5 | And if you'd like a summary write-up of some of these actionable takeaways, |
1:01.7 | I suggest you sign up for the free Gold Nugget email newsletter at awesomeatyourjob.com. |
1:07.0 | I'm Pete McItis. |
1:08.1 | This is How to Be Awesome at Your Job. |
1:09.6 | And now, here's Ann Lur. |
1:16.5 | And Lur, welcome. Thanks for having me. Well, I'm excited to dig into your wisdom associated with tiny experiments. |
1:23.7 | You do a lot of research and put together these tools in a practical, applicable way, |
1:28.8 | which is kind of what we're into. |
1:30.7 | Can you tell us any super surprising and fascinating discoveries you made as you were doing the |
1:36.2 | research and putting this stuff together? |
1:38.4 | To me, the most surprising thing was how many of the decisions we make at work or in life |
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