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The Next Level

1034: Has Epstein Stopped the Trump 2028 Train?

The Next Level

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.83.2K Ratings

🗓️ 20 November 2025

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Summary

Trump’s awful month keeps getting worse: the botched Comey indictment, the Epstein files exploding, Trump snapping at reporters, and signs that the MAGA machine isn’t running like it used to. JVL, Sarah, and Tim talk about the panic inside Trumpworld, the fallout from his dictator cosplay with MBS, and why the movement suddenly looks shakier than it has in years.

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0:00.0

I have PTSD at the idea of Ted Cruz being the one person in the race that we have to like nominally root for because he is less awful in like the most deeply awful ways that Tucker and J.D. Vance are.

0:22.9

Hello, everyone. This is J.D. Vance are. Hello, everyone. This is JVL here with my best friends, Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller of the

0:29.2

bulwark. We got a lot of show today because the Epstein stuff is real and it is spectacular.

0:35.0

But before we go to that, mere minutes before we sat down to tape on Wednesday afternoon,

0:41.2

there were developments in the Jim Comey criminal case.

0:45.9

Are you guys ready?

0:47.9

I'm thrilled.

0:48.9

And I'm ready to hear about them from the best newsletter writer in America who's been on fire this week.

0:54.6

Unbelievable.

0:56.5

Every word has been perfect.

0:59.0

So they had a hearing in the Comey case, and it turns out that the new AUSA,

1:06.8

Lindsey Halligan, who is just a nice real estate lawyer who did some reality TV as, uh, as a young pup. Uh, she wanted some big cases and about some like parking lot incidences, I think. I mean, yeah, you know, I don't want to like parking lot law is like the law of the sea. One of those things where there's just a lot of complexity.

1:28.3

And it turns out that so she went to get a grand jury to indict James Comey on three counts,

1:36.5

and the grand jury refused the first count. And instead of taking the amended indictment back to the grand jury and representing it to them and getting them to sign off on it, she seems to have simply taken out the first one that failed and had the four person of the jury sign it and then taking it to the judge.

2:03.2

This is a big no-no.

2:05.0

Is that bad?

2:06.2

It's not good.

2:07.3

This is like the judge.

2:08.3

This is like the George Costanza.

2:09.6

Is that wrong?

2:11.7

Was that frowned upon?

2:13.4

And so the judge has said that she is very concerned.

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