Hidon Shaw, welcome to the Andy Hackers podcast.

Corlin, welcome to talking to me.

Thanks, Heaton.

You're someone whose name has come up over and over again since I first got into tech.

Like 12 years ago, man.

You are everywhere.

You've done everything.

You started something like four or five multi-million dollar businesses.

You founded Crazy Egg and Kiss Metrics. And I think it's safe to say that without those two companies, founders would be tracking metrics and analyzing them very differently than how we are today. You are the co-host of the startup chat podcast. You spend a ton of time, I think, just helping founders build better companies. You've got a book and a mailing list and a blog called Product Habits that I subscribe to you, and you share all sorts of critical information for building successful products. Today, you're running a company called FYI with your co-founder, Marie ProPocates, and you're even a guest on the Indiackers podcast, which I think is probably the coolest thing that you've done. Of course it is. I wonder if you reflect on spending your life this way and having a career as a serial founder, you could have easily not done any of this stuff. You could have easily been a doctor or a marketer at somebody else's company helping them build their dream. What's so great about being a serial founder instead? Adventure. I think being a founder is the same as like, you know, the way I would describe it is

it's a choose your own adventure. And that's what I find the most exciting thing about it. That's why

there's some folks out there, even such as my co-founder Marie, who I really would suggest it early on

that she should work for herself because she's a,

I would call it a choose your own adventure type of person. At that time, I never really thought

that we would work together or I didn't really have a second thought about it. I was just,

you know, reflecting on the person I knew her as. And I think there are a lot of folks out there

that fall in that camp of really having the most

enjoyment in life by being these choose your own adventure type people. So that would be the way I've

never described it before. But as you're talking and asking me this question after that

wonderful summary about my my history, it just boils down to that and

it's amazing how you can also have that experience and have a normal career i think one thing i would

point out a quick story i've never really told publicly is at one point there was a company called

causes that sean park Parker from Facebook was a part of.

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