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Helping business leaders grow themselves.

They're team and they're profits.

This is the Entrain Leadership Podcast.

Now, here is your host, Ken Gullman.

Coming to you from the Music City, this is the podcast of leaders, by-leaders and four leaders.

Thanks for hanging out with us.

We know you get to choose from so many podcasts.

So we appreciate you downloading us.

Hey, this episode features my conversation with New York Times best-selling author, Donald Miller.

I'm privileged to be the man's friend.

I've interviewed him several times and recently we've gotten to know each other on a friend level.

Great thinker.

What he's doing with Storybrand, Storybrand.com.

In helping organizations tell their story well is absolutely groundbreaking stuff.

It's really strong.

And we're going to get right to that.

And here's why I think this is a conversation that will hopefully either validate what you've been doing

or absolutely reshape what you need to be doing.

In fact, there's one big point that I'm going to call out ahead of the conversation

because I think it's that important so that when you hear it, I want you to lock in.

And that is this.

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