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The Next Level

1012: Your Obedient Servants | Secret Podcast

The Next Level

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.83.2K Ratings

🗓️ 5 September 2025

⏱️ 20 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

Sarah and JVL go long on the economy, The People, double standards, RFK, and . . . Hamilton.

It’s a super-sized Secret pod.

In the comments, we want you to talk about whether or not the double-standard is real—is it true, as JVL proposes—that voters obsess over Democratic mistakes while waiving away Republican insanity?

And if it is true, why is it? Remember: We’re not just talking about partisans, but about the generalized broader public. We want to hear your theories.

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:01.9

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0:22.4

I know you all love the next level.

0:24.7

And it's a great show.

0:26.1

It's a very nice show.

0:27.0

I like that show too.

0:28.3

But Sarah and I, every Friday, do a little secret show.

0:32.5

We call it the secret show.

0:35.8

Yeah, we started the secret show back in the earliest of early days.

0:42.6

We used to delete the episodes after we wrote.

0:45.5

They would only be available for a day.

0:47.4

But it is one of the, it is maybe the longest running conversation on the bulwark.

0:53.2

We do it behind the paywall every Friday.

0:56.7

And you guys should come back here and join us.

0:59.8

It's where you get all the inside scoop.

1:01.6

It's where you get the real dope.

1:03.8

And we laugh a lot.

1:04.5

That's not true.

1:05.4

Like we just we just talk more informally and we think things through.

1:10.1

I'd say next level is more polished like takes secret

1:13.8

is a lot of, huh, what do we think about this? That's what comes to mind when I think of the next level,

1:18.1

polished. Yeah, polished. Anyway, we wanted to share some with you like we always do. And this week,

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