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I hope you'll forgive my going back to the history. I just want to, you know, we've been

all been told kind of a story that isn't true. We've kind of appropriated, you know, in some

sense, your stories. And so an important part of this interview is to let you tell your stories.

And you're all doing a beautiful job of that. I also want to reeducate people about maybe a better

story, an authentic story. And I think it's an important part of that is understanding Joseph Smith.

Really quick, Angela, you said he was a grave robber. Now many people who've been, you know,

listening to warmest stories and reading books know that he was involved in this treasure digging thing

where he would convince people that he could see buried treasure under the ground. And then he

would get people to dig and dig and dig and dig and they would never find treasure. But he was able

to keep people believing that they have the power to see treasure hidden buried treasure

underground, even though no treasure was ever found. I don't think people have an understanding

about Joseph Smith being a grave robber. Can you tell us a little bit more about what you meant by that?

And then I have a follow up question about Joseph Smith.

Yeah, so he doesn't actually ever get to say how he acquires these objects or how he's thinking about these things

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