This re-release is part of a retrospective celebrating 10 years of a gay and a non-gay and the big conversations that helped change our world. Hi-uh, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi. Hello. This is a gay and a non-gay. I'm Dan Hedison. I'm James Barr. This is episode five, welcome along. I'm going to start with a glowing review from Red Baron. Are we allowed to read these reviews out? out.

Well, actually, the...

There are... come along. I'm going to start with a glowing review from Red Baron. Are we allowed to read these reviews out? I'm not sure. Well, actually, they're there. They're there in the product domain. Most of them are being pretty positive, actually, I've got to say. There's one that you're, that's getting your goats, shall we say. Okay, your goats. Unless you think every word in a sentence should be punctuated with the word like,

and keeping up with the Kardashians is more vital to life than oxygen,

you will probably find this podcast as mind-numbingly boring as I did.

No substance, no humour, just two blocs, I've never been called a bloke before,

talking about nothing of interest to anyone else.

I think that's an unfair view for a few reasons. One, we don't mention the Kardashians. We haven't mentioned them once. Not until now. So that's a bizarre point to pick up on. That's true. But I think they were more referring to the fact that our lifestyle is very much off the Kardashians, although it's clearly not. I'm not sure what is.

I think they're more just referring to the fact that you're saying like like like like like, like, like, like, like, they're like, oh, it's so like the Kardashians, like. This is again and on gay, episode five. We are here. By the way, can I just say, I don't think this is going to be that funny. but Talia, my girlfriend, upon me sending a text last week,

was like, oh my God, upon me sending a text last week,

was like, oh my God, you've got to get in the studio with James and talk about this. It's going to be hilarious. That's what we're here. Okay. I think it's that funny. I think it's quite a serious and sensible thing to do. Oh God, that means it isn't. Knowing you like I know you now after the last five weeks of seeing you,

I feel like this is probably not something that's funny.

Oh, like... it isn't. Knowing you like I know you now after the last five weeks of seeing you,

I feel like this is probably not something that's funny

or like something everybody does.

Just saying.

Okay, well, I don't think it's funny either.

Basically, I am an owner of a garden.

Why do you find that funny?

Just carry on, I'll get to it, it's fine. And I... I have a garden. I have a garden why do you find that just carry on

I'll get to it it's fine

and I have a garden

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