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Uncharted with Hannah Fry

10. Devil in the Detail

Uncharted with Hannah Fry

BBC

Science

4.8609 Ratings

🗓️ 2 October 2023

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

Thomas Herndon was happily studying economics at the University of Massachusetts, when one day is punctured by a discovery. It appears to be an anomaly which, if true, will shake the intellectual foundations of a global movement, and could undermine politicians around the world.

Hannah Fry tells the extraordinary story of a student who will go head to head with two of the greatest economic minds in modern times. But can he win?

Episode Producer: Lauren Armstrong-Carter Sound Design: Jon Nicholls Story Editor: John Yorke

A series for Radio 4 by BBC Science in Cardiff.

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:07.0

Today's story begins in 2012, on a vibrant and historic campus.

0:12.0

The University of Massachusetts is a beacon for creative minds with big ideas,

0:17.0

a training ground for those who one day hope to make their mark on the world stage.

0:23.5

It's maybe the single quickest way to get to the frontier of a field, right? You look at the

0:30.1

best current papers in that field and you learn how to cook them from scratch. That is Thomas

0:36.0

Herndon. He's an associate professor at the City University of New York.

0:40.3

But back then, he was a grad student who had just been set a challenge to work through a paper by some hot shot academics.

0:49.1

This project was for a class in applied econometrics.

0:52.9

It was the beginning of the semester,

0:54.9

and Thomas was unsure of himself,

0:57.0

because this particular subject wasn't exactly his strong suit.

1:01.6

You do need a little bit of math,

1:04.1

and those were some of the things that I struggled with

1:06.5

when I was first studying as a youth.

1:09.1

Of course, I had started experiencing a problem.

1:13.9

To his lecturers, Michael Ash and Bob Pollan, this student seemed to be stuck on something

1:19.4

elementary.

1:21.2

It wasn't wrapped in really complicated mathematics or high-tech statistics.

1:27.5

Kind of like if someone wanted to ask, who's taller at age 10, the boys or the girls in the class?

1:33.3

I just said, well, you're doing something wrong.

1:36.2

That wouldn't hurt. That definitely hurt.

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