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I'm John, that's what Charles Spicer, his new book is Coffee with Hitler. It is the crisis

year of 1938. And again, we're concentrating our, our protagonists and the results around

them that they try to shape with really good information about what Hitler and his co-colleagues,

Hitler and his co-conspirators that would be gering, Himmler and the rest, but especially

fun ribbon-trop, the now foreign minister of Germany who has turned against England.

And regards England as the major threat to the Hitlerite plans to conquer the world

or at least all of Europe. We come to September of 1938 and the, our heroes are meeting

with the courts and others and learn that there is a credible, as Charles says, robust,

plan to remove the dictator from the Reich's dencery and set up a government that is not

headed to war. It is called the Oster conspiracy. And I emphasize it here because it doesn't

end quickly. But Charles, you believe this was a credible arrangement that was not pursued

by Whitehall, was the prime minister fully informed of this. It seems to have influenced

his decision in September. I think you know, I mean, he was certainly

made aware of the plans for the Oster conspiracy. And he chose instead to proceed with, with

his own plan to go and visit Hitler personally, I don't think he necessarily understood the

extent to which his own plans would undermine the conspiracy. He wasn't opposed to it.

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