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Hello ladies and gentlemen and everybody and everything in between.

Welcome to Jo List's Mindful Metal Jacket Podcast.

Thank you for listening.

This is my new podcast and you're listening to one of the first episodes and I appreciate you listening. I hope that you enjoy it.

Today I have a long conversation with my friend, Ranaan Hirschburg or Rana on Hirschburg.

I don't know how to say his name.

I believe we talk about this on the podcast.

He is my closest friend whose name I don't know how to say, but he's accepting of both.

Run-on, Ronon, Hirschburg, great guy and a fellow anxiety and panic sufferer.

And I was really proud of this episode.

This episode I put in this first group of episodes because it felt like what I want the show to be and to sound like

we had a great talk he's somebody that like I said has dealt with extreme anxiety

and panic attacks on stage and off and I have as well and I like to

think I was helpful to him in this and certainly he's helped me out it's like

anything else in this life. It just helps to know that somebody else is suffering from similar things. I always suffer from the fear that I have Joe List's disease, some crazy mental disorder or

physical disorder that no one's ever had before. So I spend a lot of my life

asking people, have you ever had this?

And then if they have, I feel better.

If they haven't, I feel worse.

Which is a bad way of approaching it, I've learned.

Because it just kind of reinforces the fact

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