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This is John Batchel, a conversation with colleague John Hardy of the Foundation for Defense

of Democracy is about the options for the EU and the U.S.

To further inhibit Russia's ability to make war in Ukraine.

The shadow fleet long talked about, not dealt with, but here we have another opportunity

to take the shadow fleet off the table for Russia's choices to ship its oil to its customers in India and China.

John Hardy speaks to what can be done, what is urged to be done,

which is to remove it from the table as the EU lowers the cap from $60 to $45.

No barrel should be sold above $45.

John Hardy, more of this tonight about $45. No barrel should be sold above $45. John Hardy, more of this tonight about making it too expensive for Russia to continue

the war.

More later.

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