You're listening to The West Wing Weekly. I'm Rishi Kei Shereway.

And I'm Josh Wilmolina.

In our last episode, we talked a bit about the work of Bill O'Brien,

the actor who plays Joey Lucas' interpreter, Kenny Thurman.

And we're really happy that he's going to be our guest later on in this episode.

We're going to talk to him about Kenny, Joey Lucas, and Sign Language in the West Wing.

But first, we're talking about season one, episode 21,

Lies, Dam Lies, and Statistics.

The Stories by Pat Cadill, the teleplay, is by Aaron Sorkin,

and it was directed by Don Skardino, another actor, director,

with whom I'm very familiar. He directed the Broadway production of a few good men,

in which I appeared. My first real job as a professional actor.

He directed a lot, and I guess executive produced a lot of 30 rocks.

I think he was the original Jesus in God's Bell. That's a musical, Rishi.

Like Artem.

No, it's unlike Artem, and that it actually is a musical.

My favorite musical, Waiting for Gado, probably.

Which is brilliant, because you're waiting for the musical number.

Exactly. They turned on the lights, but I knew there was music coming, so I did not move.

That's good. Thank you.

Back to Don Skardino, the first Broadway production of God's Bell,

which of course is a musical by Stephen Schwartz, based on the stories of Matthew,

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