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This is CBS, I'm the world, I'm John Bachelor, Ukraine Conflict.

And Russia, the article in the Atlantic magazine by Ann Applebom and Jeffrey Goldberg,

distinguished commentators on Conflict in Europe.

And the response by my guest and colleague, Enato Lieven of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft,

turns on the question of Ukraine's success.

Does that transfer all of that success into Russia's defeat, Russia's failure?

And what are the consequences of that not only for Eastern Europe, but for the planet, for all of us,

the failure of a great civilization into a future that strikes me as dystopians,

chapter one of a nightmare.

And a total of very good evening to you.

Thank you very much.

Your response turns on the parts of the essay that are most challenging to what comes next.

However, it's easy to endorse the parts of the essay.

It's extremely well informed about what Ukraine must do to achieve success.

As I understand it, this is the essay for the maximalist position.

Ukraine must have everything it needs in order to retake Crimea, do I read that correctly? Good evening to you.

Hello, John.

Yes, I mean, that's their position.

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