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The John Batchelor Show

1/2: SOMALIA: SHABAAB ADVANCES. CALEB WEISS, BILL ROGGIO, FDD

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🗓️ 13 March 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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1/2: SOMALIA: SHABAAB ADVANCES. CALEB WEISS, BILL ROGGIO, FDD

1932 MOGADISHU

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0:00.0

This is CBS Island the World. I'm John Batson, joined by my colleague and friend Bill Rajo,

0:09.6

the senior fellow for the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy, keeping the Long War

0:14.8

Journal. And filing on Long War Journal, we welcome Caleb Weiss of the Bridgeway Foundation

0:20.2

and FD, watching East and West

0:23.4

Africa and the jihadists of the moment. Caleb, it's been too many weeks since we spoke, so we

0:30.6

begin with your most recent filing. Shabab assaulting Mogadishu. What is Shabab's strength these days that they would take on the

0:39.6

major city and what is Mogadishu defended by? Good evening to you, Caleb. Good evening, John.

0:46.1

Thank you for having me again. It has been way too long, so I'm glad to be back. So technically,

0:52.6

most of the fighting has been north of Mogadishu, not necessarily in the

0:56.2

city itself. Over the past, really two to three weeks, Shabab has mounted a large-scale

1:02.7

offensive in two regions, Middle Shabal, which is the region of Somalia, immediately north of

1:10.5

Mogadishu, in Haran, which Haran is, it borders

1:14.5

middle Shabal further in the center of the country.

1:17.7

These are strongholds of Shabab.

1:19.5

They've been strongholds for a decade plus.

1:22.4

When the government in Mogadishu launched its own counteroffensive back in 2022.

1:28.3

These were two regions that saw most of the fighting.

1:32.3

And actually the government forces backed by tribal militias called the Maa Wiesli.

1:38.3

They captured a decent amount of territory from Shabab in those two regions.

1:42.3

However, in the last few weeks,

1:45.1

Shabab seems to be reversing a lot of those gains. Between both regions, Hara and Middle Shabell,

1:50.8

the group has taken over over a dozen towns and villages away from federal forces and tribal

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