This is CBS Eye on the World.

Here's John Bachelor.

Oceania, a vast part of the globe.

Oceania, the battlefield between the people's Republic of China and the United States and its allies.

Oceania, divided according to the PRC's cynical voices this way.

You, the United States, take Hawaii East.

We, the people's Republic of China's People Liberation Army, will take Hawaii West.

Cleo Pascal of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy.

Watching this story very carefully, traversing Oceania for the FDD.

Now traveling in the corridor of freedom straight up the middle of the Pacific from Hawaii all the way to the Asian mainland.

That is the area of contest right now that's, that Cleo identified recently in testimony to Congress.

A committee devoted to the Indo-Pacific task force concerns about what do they need and when can we yet it to them.

A chaired by Congresswoman Ratawag and co-chaired by Congressman Sublon.

What we're looking at is the needs of the people of Oceania in specific islands that describe from Hawaii all the way to Taiwan.

Cleo, a very good evening to you. Thank you very much.

There are lots of acronyms here that I can confuse. So you will help me if I err.

There is the FAS, there is the FSM, there are the RMI's and then there's Palau.

Right now your testimony before Congress concentrated not on military warfare, not even on Tristraida political warfare.

That is, we'll give you this, you give them that. But something called an tropic warfare. What is that Cleo? A very good evening to you.

Good evening. Intropic warfare is a way of describing what China does to previously stable country in order to fragment it, we can to create a state of entropy inside the country so that its defenses are down and it's much easier to run those Chinese influence operations.

Cleo, the functioning democracy if your legal system is just fair, if your economy is transparent, there's very little maneuvering room for the sort of criminal activity that usually greases the way for the CCP to enter into your system and gain control.

So what they want to do, and we hear about this sometimes discussed in the context of warfare is let for example specifically the three warfare's psychological warfare where they try to create a state of confusion or fear.

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