#096 - Samuel Kullmann - Why Switzerland Works and Britain Doesn't
The Peter McCormack Show
Peter McCormack
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🗓️ 21 July 2025
⏱️ 117 minutes
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Swiss politician Samuel Kullmann joins The Peter McCormack Show for a deep dive into Switzerland's unique model of governance and why it offers a powerful alternative to Britain's broken system. Kullmann breaks down the power of direct democracy, the importance of decentralised government, and how a nation run by part-time politicians with real-world skin in the game avoids the corruption and incompetence plaguing Westminster.
Drawing a sharp contrast, he compares the stable, prosperous, citizen-led approach of Switzerland with the top-down, bureaucratic failure that is driving the UK's decline and wealth exodus. This is a lesson in how real democracy works, a blueprint for political accountability, and a vision of a future where power truly belongs to the people. CONTACT PETE › Website - http://petermccormack.com › Feedback - https://www.petermccormack.com/contact › Email - me@petermccormack.com › Instagram - /mccormack555 › X/Twitter - https://x.com/petermccormack/ CONNECT WITH SAMUEL KULLMANN › X/Twitter - https://x.com/samuelkullmann SPONSORS › IREN - https://www.iren.com/ › Ledger - https://www.ledger.com/ › Gemini - https://gemini.com/ › Casa - https://casa.io/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00 - Introduction 00:00:58 - A Swiss Perspective on the UK 00:04:03 - The Power of Referendums 00:05:57 - Decentralised Tax & Government 00:07:32 - Approachable Politicians 00:08:41 - The Strength of the Swiss Franc 00:12:48 - No Staff Means No Stupid Laws 00:15:23 - Can the Swiss System Be Copied? 00:18:55 - Lawlessness in the UK 00:22:19 - Direct Democracy 00:29:11 - Bitcoin & Switzerland 00:33:57 - Fighting Against Centralisation 00:38:19 - The UK System Rewards Morons 00:40:58 - The Incentives of Swiss Politics 00:44:28 - Why Socialism Always Fails in Switzerland 00:48:41 - The UK's Obsession with a Wealth Tax 00:57:01 - How Switzerland Handled COVID 01:01:41 - Law & Order in Switzerland 01:04:57 - The Dark Side of Switzerland 01:21:58 - A Christian Framework 01:25:27 - Modernising the Church 01:31:04 - The Singularity of Faith, Bitcoin & Governance 01:36:28 - Bitcoin Regulation in Switzerland 01:40:55 - The Swiss Healthcare System 01:46:01 - Switzerland's Generous Social Safety Net - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - LISTEN / SUBSCRIBE TO THE PODCAST › Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/40ruY9K › Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3Wc94Vu › Fountain: https://bit.ly/FountainPM › YouTube: https://bit.ly/YouTube_PM › Rumble: https://bit.ly/RumblePM FILMED BY CURTIS TAYLOR https://www.curttaylor.co.uk/ https://x.com/curttayloruk/ EDITED BY CONOR MCCORMACK - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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| 0:00.0 | We have a system which promotes career politicians, student politicians, morons, into positions of high power, making big important decisions that destroy our country. |
| 0:13.1 | And then we celebrate them and put them in the House of Lords. |
| 0:16.4 | It feels like the incentive models flipped in Switzerland. |
| 0:20.0 | I think it is. |
| 0:21.6 | The incentives are not as high to just go into politics because of power, because of money. |
| 0:27.6 | So you have more those who say, hey, I have a vision for my country, I have a vision for society. |
| 0:33.6 | In my parliament, in Canton-Bern, I would say that most of the MPs are trying to do the best for the Canton with direct democracy. There's so much more veto options, especially from the people. |
| 0:48.3 | Politicians cannot behave the same way. |
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| 1:39.2 | Morning, Sam. How you doing? Good morning for you. I'm doing great. Welcome to the People's Republic of the United Kidendom. |
| 1:43.8 | Oh man. I'm very excited to talk to you. |
| 1:47.8 | Your friend Phil, your acquaintance Phil came in to see us and you followed up. |
| 1:54.0 | And so I'm very excited to talk to you. |
| 1:55.9 | But I just as a starting point, what's your observation of the UK from distance? |
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