#096 - Samuel Kullmann - Why Switzerland Works and Britain Doesn't
Mr Obnoxious
Peter McCormack
4.8 • 2.7K Ratings
🗓️ 21 July 2025
⏱️ 117 minutes
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Summary
Swiss politician Samuel Kullmann joins The Peter McCormack Show for a deep dive into Switzerland's unique model of governance and why it offers a powerful alternative to Britain's broken system. Kullmann breaks down the power of direct democracy, the importance of decentralised government, and how a nation run by part-time politicians with real-world skin in the game avoids the corruption and incompetence plaguing Westminster.
Drawing a sharp contrast, he compares the stable, prosperous, citizen-led approach of Switzerland with the top-down, bureaucratic failure that is driving the UK's decline and wealth exodus. This is a lesson in how real democracy works, a blueprint for political accountability, and a vision of a future where power truly belongs to the people.
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| 0:00.0 | We have a system which promotes career politicians, student politicians, morons, into positions of high power, making big important decisions that destroy our country. |
| 0:13.1 | And then we celebrate them and put them in the House of Lords. |
| 0:16.4 | It feels like the incentive models flipped in Switzerland. |
| 0:20.0 | I think it is. |
| 0:21.6 | The incentives are not as high to just go into politics because of power, because of money. |
| 0:27.6 | So you have more those who say, hey, I have a vision for my country, I have a vision for society. |
| 0:33.6 | In my parliament, in Canton-Bern, I would say that most of the MPs are trying to do the best for the Canton with direct democracy. There's so much more veto options, especially from the people. |
| 0:48.3 | Politicians cannot behave the same way. |
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| 1:39.2 | Morning, Sam. How you doing? Good morning for you. I'm doing great. Welcome to the People's Republic of the United Kidendom. |
| 1:43.8 | Oh man. I'm very excited to talk to you. |
| 1:47.8 | Your friend Phil, your acquaintance Phil came in to see us and you followed up. |
| 1:54.0 | And so I'm very excited to talk to you. |
| 1:55.9 | But I just as a starting point, what's your observation of the UK from distance? |
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