#096 Miracles And Heaven: Jesus Above All
Mind Shift with Erwin & Aaron McManus
Erwin McManus + Aaron McManus
4.8 • 1.2K Ratings
🗓️ 15 August 2025
⏱️ 53 minutes
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Summary
In episode 96 of the Mind Shift Podcast, Aaron and Erwin Raphael McManus dive into a wide-ranging conversation that blends leadership, faith, and authenticity. They open by discussing Erwin’s recent interview with Lecrae, who described him as both respected and misunderstood in the Christian world. From there, they unpack theological debates, including Erwin’s stance on fully believing the Bible without reading it literally, and his critique of the “Christian industrial complex” that prioritizes commercialization over genuine spiritual experience. They reflect on Erwin’s early years serving the urban poor, building his own wealth outside the church to sustain ministry, and pushing back against unhealthy expressions of faith that distort real miracles. Both emphasize Jesus as the true center of faith—above promises of heaven or supernatural signs—while sharing personal stories that challenge conventional motivations for belief. The conversation moves through topics like the purity of faith without the promise of heaven, the role of integrity in spiritual leadership, and the need for authentic community, ending with an invitation for listeners to join the discussion, contribute ideas, and become part of the Mind Shift journey.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to the Mindship podcast. My name is Aaron McManus. And I'm here with my dad, |
| 0:03.2 | Erwin Raphael McManus. How you doing today? |
| 0:05.7 | I'm doing good. Other than we've had kind of a Wi-Fi crisis, we do a mastermind called |
| 0:10.8 | the arena and it's global online. And when your Wi-Fi starts absolutely short-circuiting, |
| 0:16.7 | it is a nightmare. Yeah. So our primary business is called the arena, which is built around three |
| 0:22.0 | things. Communication, leadership, character. Sometimes we call it self-mastery. We meet every week. |
| 0:29.8 | It's a one-hour call, 30 minutes of conversation, 30 minutes of content, 30 minutes of conversation |
| 0:34.1 | and Q&A. We do it once a week, and we've been doing it for a few years now. |
| 0:38.6 | We have a few hundred people part of it. If you're looking to, you know, grow in any of those |
| 0:42.9 | fields, join the arena now. And we also add the caveat of big ideas. So if you love some of the |
| 0:49.6 | more interesting, progressive cutting edge ideas that we have, We'd love for you to join us in the arena. |
| 0:55.3 | But today was crazy because I guess all of L.A. is having Wi-Fi problems. Yeah, there's something with like the fiber with AT&T and Spectrum. I'm not sure what's going on. I think it's just because our city is so terribly managed. Okay. We're not getting into that. So that's just a side note. Karen Bass, give me back my Wi-Fi. |
| 0:53.9 | I am blaming the mayor for this. getting into that. So that's just a side note. Karen Bass, give me back my Wi-Fi. |
| 1:12.6 | I'm blaming the mayor for this. |
| 1:15.6 | And so we roll in from the arena, which was high stress today, into our MindShift podcast |
| 1:21.6 | where we're going to try to chill and bring some calm and peace. |
| 1:26.6 | And then have some fun conversations about controversial things. |
| 1:31.6 | I guess. |
| 1:32.2 | So we've been talking more about the scriptures, more about the Bible on the podcast, the last |
| 1:36.8 | few months. |
| 1:37.9 | But, you know, a couple of things that we've been doing well and some things we need to |
| 1:42.7 | work on. |
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