Hey y'all just a quick heads up the episode you're about to listen to is 8 to 10 years old

now these episodes were intended to be evergreen and I still believe there's a lot of good

information in these early episodes, but I do want to let you know that some of my ideas have evolved

over time. Times have changed since we made these episodes and ultimately I'd like to think I've grown

a lot as an artist and a human and that these don't necessarily represent my best work or the best of the podcast.

If you're new around here, I suggest starting with the most recent episode or

at least go back to around 300 and move forward from there.

Enjoy the episode.

I like it though. It's weird. It's dangerous. It's dangerous. I'm sorry I'm not trying to get. If Mikey Burton doesn't survive.

This is my fault.

This is the last thing you can.

This is the last thing you'll hear of him.

Hey everybody, you're listening to the creative Pep Talk podcast. This show is

about commercial art, finding a balance between making a good living and

making great art. I'm your host Andy J Miller. You thought I was

gonna say pizza but I didn't. Illustration age is our proud syndicate. We love those guys. Our music is brought to you by Yoni Wolf in the band Y and also Metavari.

Go check out their stuff at SoundCloud.com slash Metavari. Let's jump in. Today on the show we have a real treat for you I spent the afternoon hanging out with my buddy

Mikey Burton a few weeks ago we we went and got pastries with some friends.

We sat at a local letter press studio called Iglu

and had a long chat and then we also dangerously continued the conversation while I drove.

And so it's a long thing.

There's several pieces that kind of get put together but I just

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