A spontaneous and unrehearsed interview.

Hello and welcome to the 90th episode of Curiosityness. I am Travis DeRose, the host, the guy you're

listening to, and maybe I'm full of bullshit. I could be full of bullshit all the time. Probably I am.

But you're going to be able to tell if I am or not when you listen to this episode. That's why I

have on Jevin West. He's the author, the co-author, along with Carl Bergstrom, of a book called

Calling Bullshit, The Art of Skepticism in a Data-driven World. So this, I think, is a really,

really important episode. I'm glad you're here listening to this. I'm glad Javan came on to share

this info and wrote this book. But this is about developing the skill of how to tell if you're

being bullshaded. If you're being deceived purposely or non-purpose

maybe you've even shared an article or data that you thought was true but turned out to be false.

So this is the kind of, this is the skill that I think everybody needs.

I don't have the skill yet.

I'm going to be working on developing this, but like, we're

going to look into how to figure out correlation. Doesn't mean causation. We're going to dive into

that kind of stuff and like how you're being misled with graphs and charts and numbers. So, and

this is, it doesn't matter your politics or anything like that, A skill everybody should have regardless of your views on stuff.

So that's it.

Let's get to it.

Here's Jevin West.

And it's happening.

What's up, Jevin?

How you doing?

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