Hey y'all just a quick heads up the episode you're about to listen to is 8 to 10 years old

now these episodes were intended to be evergreen and I still believe there's a lot of good

information in these early episodes, but I do want to let you know that some of my ideas have evolved

over time. Times have changed since we made these episodes and ultimately I'd like to think I've grown

a lot as an artist and a human and that these don't necessarily represent my best work or the best of the podcast.

If you're new around here, I suggest starting with the most recent episode or

at least go back to around 300 and move forward from there.

Enjoy the episode.

Before we get started I just want to start with a giant shout out to Nate Utesh

he's a buddy of mine graphic designer and illustrator. He lets us use the music of his band, Metavari, on the podcast,

and it has totally changed our whole game and the whole production and the whole vibe. I love it. It's perfect for creative

pep talk. It would mean so much to me if you would go check out their Sound Cloud.

It's SoundCloud.com slash Metavari, e t a v a r i

that music will

i kid you not it's so groovy i put it on all the time

when i'm working it's nearly instrumental it gets you into that you know that proper

workflow love it you will probably love it too go check it out. Hey everybody you're listening to the creative pet talk podcast this show is about

commercial art making a good living and making great art. I'm your host Andy J Pizza. Dr Pizza is in the

house today. Our proud syndicate is Illustration Age.

You can find this show at Illustration Age.

dot com slash creative pep talk.

You can also find this show wherever you find podcasts.

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