Hey, it's Greg. We've got another deep dive episode from a while back that I think you're really going to enjoy.

In this one, Matthew and Cina and Mark Contreras speak with licensed therapist Marie Elena.

They talk about their struggles with communication, leadership, and the invisible pressure of working here at the future. Let me tell you, they get real in this talk. It's a very transparent discussion about what life is like under our roof.

Warts and all. This is a long one, but I think it's well worth to listen.

So grab a snack, get get comfortable and enjoy our conversation

with Marie Elena. Yeah we call it the after hours. After hours.

Because it is after hours, almost.

Hold on my watch on.

I used depending on what industry in, right?

If you're, many industries are working till 10, 11. Yeah. Then then after I started 2 a.m.

They keep going they go around the clock 24 hours. Yeah then it's really hard to be, you know, empathic and we have good communication because

you're so overtired and your biarithms are off that, you know, it's hard to be present and be conscious about the

way you're communicating right that's that's super interesting because I think

about my my, my father the whole time we grew up, he's worked the

graveyard shift.

So he's worked from like 12 a.m. to six or seven and my mom she worked during the day

So they were always apart. There's like a little overlap where they were in the in at the same time, but they did that strategically so somebody's always home with us when we were young kids.

But I know my father always had communication issues, and like I think a lot of that rubbed off on me. He's a lot better now. He's retired.

As are you.

But I know that that was something that's interesting because I never thought about how that might affect your like your

ultradian rhythms or just like your just your biology right because your body is not meant to work from those hours necessarily and it's used to getting the

vitamin D and being productive during the day.

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