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True Crime Bullsh**

0707 | My Friend Israel, part 2

True Crime Bullsh**

Studio BOTH/AND

True Crime, Documentary, Society & Culture

4.65K Ratings

🗓️ 10 November 2025

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

A childhood friend of Israel's comes forward to discuss his time in Colville, Christian Identity, the Keyes family, Israel's early crimes, and more.

This episode was written, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. 

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0:00.0

True Crime Bullshit is off this week, but I wanted to pop in and announce my newest Trova trip.

0:09.0

On June 13th of 2026, we are going to Iceland.

0:14.0

And when I say we, I mean you, me, and Shana and Tooks from the research team, and Sydney Copp who helped identify Christopher Roof.

0:24.6

For as long as I can remember, Iceland has been number one on my travel list.

0:29.1

And it still somehow eluded me for all these years.

0:32.3

So I'm inviting you to come experience Iceland with me for the very first time.

0:37.2

We'll visit secret geothermal lagoons, waterfalls, geysers, the continental rift, and black

0:43.3

sand beaches littered with icebergs. We'll take a private boat tour, see the glaciers,

0:49.3

see puffins, and hang out in Reykjavik. It will be, I'm sure, a life-changing six days. Tickets go on sale at noon

0:57.6

eastern today, but because of pre-sale, there's actually only a few tickets left, so reserve your spot,

1:04.0

ASAP. Check out the link in the show notes or on Instagram. I cannot wait to see you in Iceland.

1:11.6

This is a studio both and production.

1:26.6

This is a studio both and production.

1:34.7

This is part two of my interview with Israel's childhood friend Scott.

1:42.2

To listen to the entire interview, start with episode 706, My Friend Israel, Part 1.

1:46.7

When you would stay out there, would you stay on Rocky Ridge, or would you stay somewhere else?

1:50.8

Yeah. But you would stay in the main house or on trailers or?

1:58.0

Main house or we would camp out up at Israel's cabin a lot once we were, once he had that built.

2:01.7

And we would, you know, we'd sometimes just throw a tarp out because it was a pretty small cabin but it was like home base for like the semi grown up kids or whatever

2:07.1

you want to call it and yeah and and it was weird there were certain i guess kind of probably

2:13.8

unwritten rules right like because a lot of times it was just my older brother, Israel, and myself.

2:21.0

Here's where, are there any known pictures of the smiley face?

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