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True Crime Bullsh**

0704 | Couples

True Crime Bullsh**

Studio BOTH/AND

True Crime, Documentary, Society & Culture

4.65K Ratings

🗓️ 27 October 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

Josh and Michelle Tooker examine Keyes's comments about and references to abducting and murdering couples. They take a look at what exactly that might mean, follow-up on previously covered cases, and take a look at new ones. And then they hone in on what the team may have been overlooking all along.  

This episode was written, researched, and produced by Michelle Tooker. 
It was edited and post-produced by Josh Hallmark.
Additional research by: Shana Wilensky and Jordan Taylor.  

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0:00.0

Hey everyone, pack your bags because we are heading to Iceland.

0:08.7

And when I say we, I don't just mean me and you.

0:12.7

Because Tewks and Shana from the research team are joining us on this magical Trova trip.

0:18.0

And so is the one and only Sydney Cop who helped identify Christopher Roof.

0:22.6

For as long as I can remember, Iceland has been number one on my travel list.

0:26.6

And it still somehow eluded me for all these years.

0:29.6

So I'm inviting you to come experience Iceland with me for the very first time.

0:35.6

We'll visit secret geothermal lagoons, waterfalls, geysers,

0:39.6

the Continental Rift, and black sand beaches littered with icebergs. We'll take a private

0:45.0

boat tour, see the glaciers, see puffins, and hang out in Reykjavik. It will be, I'm sure,

0:51.1

a life-changing six days. Tickets are on sale now, but act fast because as of

0:57.1

today there are only four spots left. So reserve your spot ASAP. Check out the link in the

1:04.1

show notes or on Instagram. I cannot wait to see you in Iceland. This is a studio both and production. As we've negotiated Israel Keese's ability for love, it's been impossible to overlook the immense pain he brought to the world.

1:39.3

I mean, it's the reason we're all here. Can one be capable of love and love to inflict pain on others?

1:49.2

It seems to me that Keyes had an almost adversarial relationship with the idea of love,

1:55.4

almost as though he wanted to hurt the love that he never received.

1:59.7

He read and possibly even quoted articles covering his crimes and their impacts on missing

2:04.4

people's loved ones.

2:06.1

He often specifically targeted couples.

2:09.5

He talked about the emotional pain those couples would endure.

2:14.1

So our investigation in DeKees has been one of his crimes, but also one of who he was and what drove him, what compelled him,

2:22.3

and what did his innermost workings make possible and or impossible.

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