Hey y'all just a quick heads up the episode you're about to listen to is 8 to 10 years old

now these episodes were intended to be evergreen and I still believe there's a lot of good

information in these early episodes, but I do want to let you know that some of my ideas have evolved

over time. Times have changed since we made these episodes and ultimately I'd like to think I've grown

a lot as an artist and a human and that these don't necessarily represent my best work or the best of the podcast.

If you're new around here, I suggest starting with the most recent episode or

at least go back to around 300 and move forward from there.

Enjoy the episode. I'm going to Hey friends it's me Andy J Miller commercial artist and you're listening to

the Creative Pep Talk Podcast and this show is about commercial art. You know, I want to bring that term back. I want to think about the idea of business and art and trying to hold them in the same vessel, whether it's possible, what I'm learning, and you

know it's been such a thrill to explore this topic with you and I've learned so much and I'm so grateful to be able to

bring these episodes to you week after week. So before I get anywhere let's just say we've got a proud syndicate

illustration age.com slash creative pep talk you can find the show there they're a great

illustration resource.

Today on the show, we have our last episode on Rest.

Rest Part 3, an interview with my good buddy Brandon Reich, designer, illustrator,

extraordinary. Fantastic dude. Always enjoy having a nice long conversation with this man. We get

probably deeper than we should on the topic of fast, but it's you know that's where we like to go and that's good

but we I don't I love this conversation there's you know it's not just about

rest it goes into all kinds of different things I think that there's, you know, it's not just about rest, it goes into all kinds of different things.

I think that there's a lot of takeaway here.

You know, I wanted to spend three episodes on this because this is a topic that I don't have figured out.

I haven't figured out how to switch off

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