Hello and welcome to under the skin. We're going to be talking to Dave and Steve from the happy pair

Ireland's entrepreneurial modern but very masculine new men. Roll models are right about them

actually a bit in my book mentors so I went dawn swimming with hold on because their twins

I can't tell anymore which one was which I think I went with Dave you know they sort of blend

in and out of one another you can tell them apart when you see them but you start to memorize them

as a conglomerate they started their own business selling organic food now they've got you know

a very successful food brand and their cafe and grey stones in county Wicklow Ireland is absolutely

amazing and it was one of the most enjoyable aspects of my recent work trip to Ireland making a film

and going there hanging out on the beach with these sort of buff twins I mean I don't know

I'm giving this holiday the sort of wrong taint oh god why did I say the word taint but I did

actually do exercise with them squatting oh no in the in the upstairs bit of their cafe I mean

they're incredible men they grow their own food their vegan their fitters fiddles their full of joy

they're interested in consciousness they want to build bridges they want to explore some of the

ideas around masculinity in a more positive way I mean I really really like them so they're coming

up in a minute remember my new book Mentors is available now to pre-order I talk about how I've

used various mentors and guides to help me in every area of my life as a father as a comic as

a recovering drug addict to a better husband I mean like it's a good book it's a pretty easy read

and if you want to know about it just check the website check the description box have a little

look thank you thanks for your comments on the episode with the wonderful Jack Monroe what a

beautiful human being Jack is let's have a listen to some of these comments clear says

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