I dreamt that you were twisting through seven sons of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that his story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hi, this is Veronica Valley.

And I'm Chip Summers.

Welcome to the Soberful podcast.

We are both in long-term recovery and have worked with thousands of people as therapists and coaches.

And we started this podcast because we wanted to talk about everything to do with being in

recovery, stopping drinking, getting sober and living an alcohol-free life. So there's lots of

different issues that we discuss and you can see all of those on our website, Soberful.com,

all our previous recordings.

So today, we are going to be talking about loneliness.

And the reason that we want to talk about loneliness is it's just a very, very common subject.

When I saw people come into the Soberfall Facebook group that we run, I have some questions

that I ask people. And I had one question that I asked people like, what was the biggest

challenge about stopping drinking? And overwhelmingly, it was always loneliness that would come up

again and again and again. And I don't think this is actually an issue that just is common to people with a drink issue.

I actually think this is a global problem for many, many people.

I think it's at the very core of the condition.

Really?

I do, yeah.

I think it's one of the integral parts of why we start drinking in the first place, because we feel

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