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The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk

059: Mark Fainaru-Wada – Investigative Reporter, Steroids, Barry Bonds, and Concussions

The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk

Ryan Hawk

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4.81.3K Ratings

🗓️ 1 October 2015

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Episode 059: Mark Fainaru-Wada – Investigative Reporter, Steroids, Barry Bonds, and Concussions

This was an extremely thought provoking conversation with Mark Fainaru-Wada. This is the first time I’ve ever had an investigative reporter on as a guest of The Learning Leader Show. The magnitude of the work that Mark has done is immense. We touched on a number of topics during this conversation from Chris Borland retiring to Cris Carter’s “Fall Guy” comments made at the NFL Rookie Symposium. It was a very enlightening an entertaining conversation.

Mark Fainaru-Wada is an investigative reporter for ESPN. With his colleague Lance Williams, he co-authored the New York Times best-seller “Game of Shadows — Barry Bonds, BALCO and the Steroids Scandal That Rocked Professional Sports.” He’s also written (along with his brother Steve Fainaru) “League Of Denial,” which reveals how the NFL, over a period of nearly two decades, sought to cover up and deny mounting evidence of the connection between football and brain damage.

Episode 059: Mark Fainaru-Wada – Investigative Reporter, Steroids, Barry Bonds, and Concussions

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The Learning Leader Show

“The scientist is not the person who gives the right answers; he’s the one who asks the right questions.” – Claude Levi-Strauss

Some Questions I Ask:

  • What are common characteristics of people who lie and cheat that you have encountered?
  • Why do people who are obviously guilty continually lie?
  • What was your process for writing “Game Of Shadows?”
  • You were told to “give up your sources or go to jail.” What affect did that statement have on your life?
  • Why write the book “League of Denial” about the NFL?
  • Would you allow your own children to play football?
  • What is the future for the NFL?
  • What could the NFL have been thinking by putting the Cris Carter “fall guy” statements on their website for years?

In This Episode, You Will Learn:

  • The amount of ego and narcissism he’s found in certain athletes who have cheated and lied
  • How “Game of Shadows” grew from his reporting at the San Francisco Chronicle
  • What happened to him and his family when he was told he would go to jail for not giving up his sources
  • The great conversations he’s had with Chris Borland about his decision to retire from the NFL at such a young age
  • About the ethics in reporting and why he would have reported the Cris Carter “fall guy” comments if he was in that room
  • The next big plans he has for his career

“Give up your sources or you will go to jail.”

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Episode edited by the great J Scott Donnell

Bio from ESPN

Mark Fainaru-Wada is an investigative reporter for ESPN. With his colleague Lance Williams, he co-authored the New York Times best-seller “Game of Shadows — Barry Bonds, BALCO and the Steroids Scandal That Rocked Professional Sports.” He’s also written (along with his brother Steve Fainaru) “League Of Denial,” which reveals how the NFL, over a period of nearly two decades, sought to cover up and deny mounting evidence of the connection between football and brain damage.

Transcript

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If you're in the same situation, do you report it?

0:03.0

Oh, absolutely. I mean, I don't see how you can't report that. I mean, I just, I mean, I think, I just think, I don't see how you don't.

0:11.0

I mean, this is a highly newsworthy thing where you've got as you said

0:14.4

a message being given at the highest levels to rookies by you know now we know it on

0:21.0

video a Hall of Fame player I just don't see how that's not

0:23.2

reportable but look again I mean people make different decisions and I can only

0:27.5

speak to the kind of sort of decisions we would make. Our leaders born or

0:31.3

are they made our host Ryan Hawk believes that leaders can be made through determined, focused work on learning the art and science behind the makeup of other successful leaders.

0:41.6

Now it's time to inhale knowledge and exhale success. You're

0:45.2

listening to the Learning Leader Show I am Ryan Hawk.

1:05.0

Tonight's episode is absolutely fascinating.

1:08.3

It's with investigative reporter Mark Fainier Owata.

1:12.4

He works for E-SPN. With his colleague Lance Williams, he co-authored

1:17.4

the New York Times Best Seller Game of Shadows, Barry Bonds, Balco, and the steroids scandal that rocked professional sports.

1:26.5

He also has written League of Denial with his brother Steve, which touches on traumatic brain injury and playing football in the NFL.

1:36.0

On our very interesting conversation tonight we touched on a number of topics.

1:41.6

I think you'll find all of them fascinating especially

1:44.5

Mark's story and how he goes about finding sources building relationships

1:49.7

we got into that a couple other things we spoke on, investigating Barry Bonds and Marion

1:56.3

Jones and Tim Montgomery and Jason Giambie and what it was like doing that investigative work

2:01.4

to uncover and find out about their steroid use. doing that

2:03.2

investigative work to uncover and find out about their steroid use.

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