And you could say those are the big threes of life, right? Identity, purpose, belonging. If you don't answer those questions in your life, you're screwed. If you don't begin to answer them in adolescence when they're on a full boil, to the degree that you answer those questions well, you will do well. To the degree that you don't answer them well, you're not in great shape.

I'm J.J. Heller. And I'm Dave Heller. And this is Instrumental.

In every episode, we explore the instrumental moments that made our guest who they are today.

We hope our conversation reminds you that every second matters, because none of us knows which

moment will be the one that changes everything.

Hi, friends, it's JJ.

And her husband, Dave.

Welcome to the last episode of Season 4 of Instrumental.

Our guest this week is Ian Kron. He is a writer, and he is also firmly planted in Enneagram territory.

Yeah, he's kind of an expert. He wrote a book called The Road Back to You. He's created

online curriculum. But this interview is not specifically about the enneagram. It's about Ian's life.

I love his storytelling. So to sit down and have a nice long conversation with Ian was a real treat.

He's touching on so many of the important things in life, identity, purpose, addiction, recovery, belonging.

These are themes that each of us has to grapple with.

And I can't wait for you to hear this episode.

Ian spends his time helping his readers and listeners discover who they are and where they belong in the world.

Of course, he had to walk that road at one time himself, and his journey of self-discovery has been a long process.

Here's Ian.

I grew up in a, what we referred to as an alcoholic dynasty.

My father died from alcoholism.

His two sisters died from alcoholism in their 40s and 50s.

It's littered everywhere. It's in your blood.

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