Welcome to track number five of Labor to be blessed.

Father, thank you for the blessing of today in Jesus' name. Amen.

Please don't shine the bright light on me. I cannot see their faces. Turn it off, please.

Thank you. You may be seated.

Right. Now, yesterday we were talking about the maturity of the lay ministry.

Is that not so? Now, the next point on the maturity of the lay ministry is having to have maturity is to have

lay pastors who are good lay pastors

even though they are not called to full-time ministry.

Pastors who are not

who are good lay pastors

when they are not called to full-time ministry.

Now, why do we say that?

Because we have also noticed a trend, all right,

in which pastors, you know, when, when he's a good lay pastor, like,

he's very good, that means that he's called to full-time ministry.

It's a trend.

Then suddenly they say, oh, I want to be in full-time ministry so it's almost like we are having

lay pastors if you are a good pastor it means you actually called but you are disobedient

to the full-time aspect of your calling for now.

Is it not true?

Yeah.

So somebody like Bishop in Teffo was a good lay pastor.

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