Welcome to the Counseling Tutor Podcast, the must listen to podcast for students of counseling and psychotherapy.

Here are your hosts, Rory Lee's Oaks and Ken Kelly.

Hello and welcome to episode 44 of the counseling tutor podcast with me, Rorya Lee's Oaks.

And with me, as always, across the studio screen is my partner in Crimes Against Counseling, Mr. Ken Kelly.

Hello, it's good to be here.

I like that.

Crimes against counselling.

I mean, a particularly good mood, Rory, because I have in my hand the official hard copy of my book that was authored recently, Basic Counseling Skills, a Students Guide.

And it was great.

You know, we had the early release and we put that out to our counselling tutor members.

And it was really well received.

And I was so happy about that. But there's just something about holding a book in your hand, smelling it. Listen to that. Oh, hey, quality of it. I can smell it. I can smell it. And I don't know what it is. It's just, it just comes alive when you hold it in your hand. So, so, I mean, a place of happiness, I guess.

Indeed. And there's something to be said about, I said in Incho, Crimes Against Counseling, of course, that's a, that's a bit of a back-handed joke. But there's something about releasing something, isn't there? Releasing a book. And there you go. It's released. and I've read the copy of it, the draft of it, and it's

fantastic. It's really is Ken's raison d'etre in counselling. It's what is brilliant at. It's

brilliant at a lot of things, but skills was always, always one of your very, very big passions,

wasn't it, Ken? Indeed it is. Indeed it is.

And I recognised, as did you, Rory, when we were teaching together as counselling tutors,

that very often someone that is studying counselling doesn't follow the traditional academic route

of going from school into college and then going into university to study counselling,

that there's sometimes a kind of an arc that you'll go out and live some life first before coming back.

Then to be faced with high academic, thick academic language can be challenging for some.

So the idea was to make an accessible counselling skills book that kind of speaks in plain English and gives audio example.

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