Welcome to the counselling tutor podcast.

The must listen to podcast for students of counselling and psychotherapy.

Here are your hosts, Rory Lee's Oaks and Ken Kelly.

Hello and welcome to episode 42 of the counselling tutor podcast with me, Rorya Lee-Ox.

And with me is my fellow traveller in the universe of counselling.

See what I did there, Ken Kelly.

It's great to be here.

And I saw your reference there to universe.

There's a great book called Life, the Universe and Everything.

It's the, I think, the final book in, the fourth book in

the trilogy, and that was done purposely by a man called Douglas Adams, because the trilogy is

obviously supposed to be only three books. And the very first one is the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy,

and they look for the ultimate answer. They have a create a computer called Deep Thought, and it

comes back and returns that the ultimate

answer is 42 it then begs the question what is the ultimate question that you get the answer 42

for but it is episode 42 and thus the reference for those in the know a great episode for you 42

we're going to be kicking off speaking about strong emotions in the counselling room. And this is where maybe a client, when we're digging into the feelings, maybe hits on frustration or maybe even anger. How does that show itself and how do we work with that in the counselling relationship in the room with protection and a focus on

protection for ourselves, I guess. Theory with Rory, a really interesting one here. And I think one

may be overlooked often and that is secondary loss. Can you give us a taste of that, Rory?

Yeah, when we have clients who come to us who may have lost a loved one it's sometimes easy to overlook

that actually they may have lost lots of other things and loved ones when they die

it may be they're a primary earner it may be they they are the people who earn the most money or

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