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🗓️ 5 June 2017
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What are the root causes of depression? Anxiety? Relationship problems? In this, and the next two podcasts, you will discover the answer!
Cognitive Therapists believe that negative thoughts, or cognitions, can exist on two different levels. When you’re upset, you’ll have Automatic Negative Thoughts (ANTs) in the here and now, and they’ll usually be something like this:
Individual Downward Arrow
But why do we get these ANTs in the first place? Cognitive therapists believe that Self-Defeating Beliefs, and other deeper structures in the brain, make us vulnerable to painful mood swings and conflicted relationships with the people we care about. To help you pinpoint your own Self-Defeating Beliefs, David has created two uncovering techniques called the Individual Downward Arrow and the Interpersonal Downward Arrow, and Albert Ellis, the noted New York psychologist, created a third called the “What-If” Technique. In today’s podcast, Drs. Burns and Nye illustrate the Individual Downward Arrow technique, using as an example a psychologist named Harold who was understandably devastated when his patient unexpectedly committed suicide.
You can follow along on this PowerPoint presentation starting with Harold’s Daily Mood Log with David and Fabrice while they illustrate the Individual Downward Arrow technique.
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Once they come to the “bottom of the barrel,” they will ask you to pause the recording, and see if you can pinpoint five or six or more of Harold’s Self-Defeating Beliefs, using the list of 23 Common Self-Defeating Beliefs.
David emphasizes that we create our own emotional and interpersonal reality at every moment of every day, but we aren’t aware of this, so we often feel like victims of forces beyond our control. We are really talking about emotional and interpersonal enlightenment, and the uncovering techniques will make this ancient Buddhist concept more understandable for you.
If you’d like more tips on precisely how to do the Individual Downward Arrow Technique, you can read David’s recent Feeling Good Blog on this topic!
In our next Feeling Good Podcast, David and Fabrice will illustrate the Interpersonal Downward Arrow Technique, which will allow you to complete a course of psychoanalysis in just 5 to 7 minutes, rather than the 5 to 7 years free associating on the couch. It is truly psychoanalysis at warp speed, and is pretty amazing! And when you change the beliefs that trigger interpersonal conflicts, you can change them and enjoy greater satisfaction in your relationships with the people you care about. But sometimes, that requires a little bit of courage!
And in the third Feeling Good Podcast on the uncovering techniques, David and Fabrice will illustrate Dr. Albert Ellis' famous "What-If Technique." If you struggle with any type of anxiety, including fears and phobias, this technique can help you uncover the feared fantasy at the root of your fears, so you can challenge the monster and attain freedom from the fears that hold you back!
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0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Feeling Good podcast. |
0:12.4 | I am your host, Fabrice Knight. |
0:14.7 | And joining me here in the Murrieta Studios is Dr. David Burns. |
0:19.0 | Hi, David. |
0:20.0 | Hi, Fabrice. |
0:23.8 | Dr. David Burns has been a pioneer in the development of cognitive therapy, and he is the creator of the new team therapy. He is the author of |
0:30.2 | Feeling Good, which has sold over 5 million copies in the United States, and has been translated into |
0:35.5 | over 20 languages. He is an emeritus adjunct clinical professor |
0:40.0 | of psychiatry at the Stanford University School of Medicine. This is episode 39 of the |
0:46.8 | Feeling Good podcast. And today we're going to kind of piggyback on the last podcast where the listener was writing about some of the messages that come from friends, family, and the society. |
1:06.1 | And that sort of build our underlying beliefs in our blueprint, |
1:11.4 | and those often are right below the surface. |
1:15.4 | And what we're going to talk about in this podcast and the next couple ones |
1:19.2 | is some uncovering techniques to bring those underlying beliefs to the surface. |
1:26.3 | So today's podcast will be on the individual downward arrow, |
1:32.1 | and then we'll look at other techniques next time. So to start with, what are our self-defeating |
1:40.2 | beliefs in that? Why should our listeners care about them? |
1:52.8 | If you're looking at the theory of cognitive therapy, team CBT is a little newer than cognitive therapy, but it still contains a lot of the core cognitive therapy elements. |
1:58.3 | And cognitive therapists, there are many kinds of thoughts that create our |
2:04.9 | emotions, but there's different levels of perception. |
2:09.1 | Okay, you may need to expand on that. Different kinds of thoughts and the levels of perception. |
2:13.7 | That sounds like too many big words but one are called |
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