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036 – Using Counselling Qualifications Overseas and in Other Roles – Congruence – Funding for Counselling Training

Counselling Tutor podcast

Kenneth Kelly

Education

4.8657 Ratings

🗓️ 4 March 2017

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

In episode 36 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly discuss the viability of using counselling qualifications in other countries and in other areas of work. 'Theory with Rory' looks at congruence, and then the presenters talk about funding for counselling training. Using Counselling Qualifications Overseas and in Other Roles (starts at 3.05 mins) Are counselling qualifications gained in the UK portable to other countries? Rory reports that the set-up in the USA is very different from the UK, with a master's degree required, as well as passing an exam to gain entrance to the professional body there. Therapists in the USA have much more of a diagnostic role, and need to understand how to claim payment from insurance companies, given that most healthcare (including counselling and psychotherapy) is funded in this way. Ken notes that South Africa too has an insurance-based healthcare system. In short, each country has its own unique set-up in terms of how therapy works there. The main tip is to contact the professional body for counselling and psychotherapy in the country you are interested in, and ask whether your qualification would be accepted there, and whether any bridging courses or arrangements would be needed. Don't forget too to check out whether you would need a work permit to be allowed to work there. Counselling skills are potentially portable not only to other countries but also to other areas of work in the UK, for example nursing and teaching. Rory describes counselling qualifications as 'CV gold', given that they demonstrate a range of aptitudes and attitudes: interpersonal skills understanding of standards and ethics self-awareness commitment to learning, and to personal and professional development mental toughness and perseverance Have you experience of using your counselling qualification abroad or in another profession? If so, do share your experiences and views on our Facebook group. Congruence (starts at 12.55 mins) Rory models congruence by explaining that he usually reads from a script for his theory slot, but this time is not doing: which do you prefer? Rory talks about congruence, one of the six conditions described by Carl Rogers in a paper, 'The Necessary and Sufficient Conditions of Therapeutic Personality Change', published by the Journal of Consulting Psychology in the 1950s. Congruence is all about being genuine and real. After the strong influence of the psychoanalytical approach in the 1940s, in which the therapist specifically avoided connecting with the emotions of the 'analysand' (as the client was known), Rogers' approach represented a sea change. Rory provides several examples of where he has used congruence in his practice and found this to be effective. He believes that when he is real with a client, this helps build and deepen the therapeutic relationship, enable the client see him as real, and become real themselves. However, being real can be easier said than done. Rory offers some observations on how to achieve this, based on his own experience: Be yourself - in the words of the band Oasis, in their song 'Supersonic, 'I need to be myself; I can't be no-one else. Don't hide behind a professional façade and/or become defensive. If you're wrong, own it - this models the idea that it is OK to make mistakes. The Ethical Framework for the Counselling Professions, published by the British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy, states (2015, page 10): 'We will ensure candour by promptly informing our clients of anything important that has gone wrong in our work together, and … offer an apology when this is appropriate.' If you don't know the answer to a question asked by the client, admit it. Funding for Counselling Training (starts at 28.12 mins) Counselling and psychotherapy training is expensive. Many UK public-sector colleges offer access to government-supported loan sch...

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Counseling Tutor Podcast, the must listen to podcast for students of

0:07.6

counseling and psychotherapy. Here are your hosts, Rory Lee's Oaks and Ken Kelly.

0:15.7

Hello and welcome to episode 36 of the counseling tutor podcast with me, Rory Lee's Oaks.

0:22.7

And with me, as always, is my friend and colleague in the intersubjective realm, Mr Ken Kelly.

0:28.8

How are you, Ken?

0:29.6

Oh, good.

0:30.2

And very, very grateful to be here today.

0:32.2

We have an absolutely packed episode for you.

0:35.4

You're going to love this.

0:36.3

We're going to be starting off speaking about

0:37.8

qualifications. So if you're a student of counselling psychotherapy, what can you hope to do with

0:42.9

those qualifications? And we wanted to look a little bit broader than just maybe going into

0:47.7

working in a practice. We're looking at can you transfer them to work overseas? What other professions can you go into with your counselling qualifications?

0:58.3

So we'll be having a look at that.

0:59.4

And then we've got a really good one, Rory, with theory from Rory.

1:03.4

You're going to be speaking about something that is true.

1:06.8

Yes, I am.

1:07.7

I'm going to speak about congruence.

1:09.8

We're talking a little bit about the theory. But also I'm going to talk about how it applies to practice. And I'm going to be talking about my congruent tummy and how it came to the fore in practice this week. So keep tuned for that.

1:23.7

Oh, you see, that is the greatest of hooks. And nobody's not going to listen to that to hear how congruence relates to your

1:30.0

tummy in practice, Rory.

1:31.8

And then we're going to kind of have a bit of a debate as we close the podcast today.

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