Welcome to the Counseling Tutor Podcast, the must listen to podcast for students of counseling and psychotherapy.

Here are your hosts, Rory Lee's Oaks and Ken Kelly.

Hello and welcome to episode 34 of the counseling tutor podcast with me, Rory Lee's Oaks.

And with me is my good friend and fellow traveller on the information superhighway, Mr Ken Kelly.

How you doing, Ken?

I am exceptionally well today, Rory.

It's a bit of a sunny day.

Midwinter in the UK at the moment at the time we're making this.

But it's a bit of a sunny day

and it's kind of the sun coming through what has been grey up until now kind of makes

everything feel a little lighter it does can and I'm reminded at least here in the UK that

every day now is getting lighter and that always cheers me up. It's a couple of seconds goes on every day.

We have a little bit more light every day.

And it certainly enhances my mental well-being.

I like seeing the sun and how it kind of glistens in the trees.

So, yeah, heading towards Easter in the UK, the gateway to summer can, which is warm rain in the UK nowadays.

And I guess if you're listening to this in the southern hemisphere, you'll be heading towards winter.

And I wonder how that changes. And it's interesting, it's all about frame of reference, isn't it?

And the other day, I'm on a course at the moment, a CPD course for my practice related to

counselling. And I was speaking about frame of reference to a colleague on the course. And we were

talking about a sandwich, Rory, and how you go in and you look at the sandwiches because

it's lunchtime and you're really hungry. The tummy is rumbling, and when you need to choose which size of

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