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Well, guys, we're still kind of on this feel of the detail-oriented side. So let me just ask this. And this could be a really long

answer. So let's try to keep it a little more brief. But what are the actual seven pillars in the

seven pillars of freedom that we find in the group

material? Good question, Trevor. I think it's important to emphasize first that they are pillars

and not steps. A lot of people listening might be familiar with 12 steps and those approaches,

which have a lot of value, but they really are based on get started on step one and don't go to

step two until you've done step one. The pillars are a little different in that we try to help someone see these aren't

steps that you have to go through to get to the next there are seven pillars that are all needed

to support a healthy lifestyle of freedom so if you jump into a group that's on pillar three

that's okay because you need that pillar and you don't

necessarily have to get through the first two to find health in the third pillar, but you do want

to, once you get to the end of the group, loop back through so that you get pillars one and two as well.

So the seven pillars, which have again come out of a lot of the work of Patrick Carnes and then

been laid over

a biblical foundation. Start with number one is breaking through denial. And this is where guys really

helped to understand how have I learned to lie to others and deceive them about my behavior,

but maybe more significantly, where have I learned to lie to myself? Because in order to lie to

someone else, I have to lie to myself first.

And so breaking through that denial and understanding the significance and the weight of this

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