027: "I'm OK if you're OK" A conversation with Michael Cusick (Enneagram 2) Part 1
Typology
Ian Morgan Cron
4.7 • 3.2K Ratings
🗓️ 17 January 2018
⏱️ 28 minutes
🧾️ Download transcript
Summary
Known as The Helper, or as Michael Cusick prefers to call them, The Giver, Twos can be really great therapists and are maybe the most natural to move into that field, but there's also a lot of things about being a Two that work against that. Twos can care too much for the wrong reasons. Twos are so wired and attuned to the needs and the feelings of other people that they are often clueless as to what their own are. They look to other people to take care of their needs without having to acknowledge or articulate them.
A large piece of the journey for Twos is to understand that you do have needs, acknowledge those needs, and actually learn how to articulate them. On today's show, Michael Cusick talks about how the Enneagram has taught him to become more conscious of when he is over-identifying with those aspects of his personality that aren't healthy and helps him make different choices.
Michael Cusick is a licensed professional counselor, spiritual director, speaker and author of two books including Surfing for God: Discovering the Divine Desire Beneath Sexual Struggle and Somebody's Daughter: An Experiential Guide. Having experienced the restoring touch of God in a deeply broken life and marriage, Michael's passion is to connect life's broken realities with the reality of the gospel.
In addition to leading Restoring the Soul and equipping Christian organizations around the world, Michael currently serves as an adjunct professor at Denver Seminary. He holds an MA in Biblical Counseling from Colorado Christian University and an MA from the College of Education at the University of Denver. Michael lives with his wife Julianne and two children, in Littleton, Colorado where he enjoys the Rocky Mountains and a host of other outdoor activities with friends and family.
For more information on Michael, visit www.restoringthesoul.com or www.michaeljohncusick.com.
Transcript
Click on a timestamp to play from that location
| 0:00.0 | Hey friends and welcome to Typology. I'm Anthony Skinner, producer of the show and we |
| 0:11.1 | want to congratulate Ian on the success of his new book. The road back to you and any |
| 0:16.7 | gram journey to self discovery has sold 100,000 copies in its first year. You can grab it |
| 0:22.6 | on Amazon, iTunes or wherever your local books are sold. Now moving along we've got a really |
| 0:27.8 | great show for you today but first I would like to remind you about our Patreon campaign. |
| 0:31.9 | That's right Patreon. It's a way for you to support content you believe in like typology |
| 0:37.2 | on a monthly basis. For as little as a dollar a month you can partner with us and help us |
| 0:43.0 | cover studio cost, post production editing, licensing fees and all the other stuff it takes |
| 0:48.4 | for us to produce each episode of typology. Just go to www.patrion.com forward slash typology. |
| 0:56.3 | That's www.pat.org.org. And select the level at which you want to support the show. You will |
| 1:09.6 | not only receive our undying love and gratitude but as a Patreon supporter you get a bunch of |
| 1:14.8 | great bonus content as well. Even a dollar a month folks is a huge huge help. Now as promised |
| 1:20.8 | I'd like to give a shout out to a few of our Patreon supporters. Dev and Ryan Adams, |
| 1:26.0 | Lisa Dyer, Patty Breach, Libby Bailey, Ann Williams, Michelle Feltz, Sherry Kampa, |
| 1:36.5 | Allison Watkins, Mark Daniel Lins, Gigi Murray, Byron Yates and Tina Puget. All of your |
| 1:48.0 | contributions are so greatly appreciated. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And now here's |
| 1:53.5 | the host of our show Ian Cron. |
| 2:04.7 | Hello typology friends, Ian Cron here with a very exciting show today. We have on my dear |
| 2:12.1 | friend of 30 years Michael Cusick. Michael is the founder and director of restoring the |
| 2:20.0 | soul. He's a therapist who works with leaders and executives providing trauma and informed |
| 2:28.3 | soul care. Michael I just read that from this sheet and I just want you to know I have no |
| 2:32.4 | idea what it means but it sounds terribly impressive. |
... |
Please login to see the full transcript.
Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Ian Morgan Cron, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.
Generated transcripts are the property of Ian Morgan Cron and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.
Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.