I think that in the last three decades has had technocratic impositions, people wanting to like revert to global institutions,

the EU says this, or the World Bank or the IMF or the WHO, whatever it is, rather than taking responsibility here,

because what we've seen is an increasing chasm between politicians who all look and sound very much the same now. And I think the problem

is that we've got technocrats that firstly people often don't believe. Then if they do believe them,

they let them down. And this is why it together we're saying we've got to be the leaders. We've got to

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Good to see, Peter.

Yeah, good.

To see you, mate.

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