#026 - Tony Sewell - Race, Class and Education
The Peter McCormack Show
Peter McCormack
4.7 • 2.8K Ratings
🗓️ 29 November 2024
⏱️ 80 minutes
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Summary
Tony Sewell is a British educational consultant, author, and former chair of the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities, known for his work on education reform and his controversial report on racial inequality in the UK.
In this interview we discuss why Britain's racial and social inequality debates are more about class than race. He unpacks the misconceptions surrounding racism, the flaws in the education system, and how family structure impacts outcomes. In this eye-opening conversation, Tony explains how nuanced, data-driven policies can better address inequality and improve opportunities for all.
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| 0:00.0 | It's quite clear you can't group people together in one big lump called BAME or whatever, |
| 0:06.4 | because we're not all the same. |
| 0:08.7 | So if you're going to deal with any policies around race, |
| 0:11.1 | you've got to pick the groups off themselves and look at them very specifically |
| 0:15.2 | and how they interact. |
| 0:16.3 | And even within those groups, you know, you're going to be quite specific. |
| 0:19.8 | So the way forward to deal with |
| 0:22.0 | inequalities is just to be more nuanced and sophisticated in how you do it. And then you say, well, |
| 0:28.0 | look, okay, I understand now that a taxi driver in Bradford from a Pakistani background is a world |
| 0:36.1 | away from an Indian doctor in Harrow. |
| 0:39.3 | We can't just call them Asian and that's it. |
| 0:42.9 | They are, one from a Hindu background, |
| 0:45.6 | one sort of a Muslim background, |
| 0:46.9 | completely different worlds. |
| 0:48.8 | So if you're going to have policies around race, |
| 0:51.9 | you've got to account for these differences. |
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