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Jason Hegel is an anthropologist at the London School of Economics. Originally from Swaziland he

spent a number of years living with migrant workers in South Africa studying patterns of

exploitation and political resistance in the wake of apartheid. Alongside his ethnographic work

he writes about development, inequality and global political economy for the Guardian and other

online outlets. His new book The Divide A Brief Guide to Global Inequality in Its Solutions

is out now Jason, welcome to Under the Skin. Thank you for having me Russell. Is it an honour to

have you on? You're actually a doctor. I am although not the kind that can save your life, sadly.

Good because you know I mean we could talk about medicine and all that kind of stuff but

I'm much more interested in talking to you about global inequality and I thought one thing after

sort of like recently having had alcohol on the show for example when talking about a huge issue

climate change it's interesting I feel to listen to the framework within which these conversations,

particularly conversations about significant change they take place within a sort of an identifiable

framework. I wonder if you could talk to us give us a bit of an overview of global inequality,

how things stand economically, how we got into this position and then we'll sort of crack on from

there. Well I suppose the place to start is what do we presently think about global inequality and

what's kind of happening in the world. So there's there's actually a dominant narrative out there

that comes out of the World Bank predominantly and gets repeated in the media quite often. That

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