So, on this one last question, then, we'll talk about the actual disciplinary action if

that's okay.

We had a lesson last week in Elders quorum here in Logan, Utah, and it was on the gift

of the Holy Ghost versus the light of Christ.

And it's a classic lesson where it's basically taught that what is the Holy Ghost and a member

of the Mormon Church is privileged because they have the gift of the Holy Ghost, which

means that the Holy Ghost can be their constant companion, et cetera, et cetera, and several

times throughout this conversation you've talked about the importance of spirituality

in your life, and in your partner's life, in your husband's life.

And for some Mormons, and hopefully it's a minority, this cognitive dissonance is arising

in their minds.

How in the world, either he's lying, or I don't understand how the Holy Ghost works,

because how can a man, how can a man who's sinning against God, violating God's law?

He must be delusional thinking that he's spiritual because the Holy Ghost clearly would

be constantly withdrawn from someone who's involved in such a lifestyle.

So you must be lying.

So what I'd love to do is help explain to an ultra conservative LDS person that spirituality

is not maybe like they thought.

Yeah, it isn't.

If that's what they think, and it must make them crazy if they think that, and if they

know me, or people like me, because we believe as a church in personal revelation, we believe

that as members, if we work hard and if we study and pray and fast and do all those things,

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