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Listen, listen to under the skin with Russell Brand

with Russell Brand, where we get under the skin of history, ideas, individuals and notions

that define our time or at least my time. Today I'll be talking to Alistair McGrath. Alistair

McGrath is a best-selling author, Anglican priest and professor of science and religion

at Oxford University. Once Nathaniel himself, he gained a doctorate in molecular biophysics

before going on to become a leading Christian theologian. He's noted for his work in historical

theology and the relationship between science and religion among his best-known books

are The Twilight of Atheism, The Dawkins Delusion and the critically acclaimed invent in the

universe. He's married to his wife Joanna and has two children. Thanks very much for coming

in Alistair. Great to be here, Russ. Listen on usual journey. I imagine the journey from

faith to atheism is a conventional one in secular times. Less common, isn't it, to come from

a grounded, rational, seemingly a position of atheism to one of religion? Tell me a little

bit about how that happened, please. Yeah, I guess it does seem a bit irrational, a bit strange,

but for me, I began by thinking everything is very straightforward. I'm doing science, science

makes God redundant. There's no place for God in the scientific universe. Science doesn't tell

us anything about meaning or purpose, but hey, we don't need those. I can face up to that. And so in

many ways, I just felt this was right. And then I was always forced to reconsider things when I

began to study the philosophy of science and just began to realize that things weren't as straight

forward as I thought. And that didn't make me religious, but it sort of made me think it's not a

straight forward as I thought. And a kind of way initiated the pathway of change as I began to

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