Welcome to a new episode of the Mark Groves podcast.

I am, I'm overly excited.

I'm overly excited.

I'm normally excited, but I'm actually overtly,

overtly and overly.

Yeah, overtly and overly. Yeah, and both of those. I added a T and without the T. Feeling it. Yeah, you can feel it. I feel it, man. I even appreciate how you, we're wearing the same hat. No one can see that. Yeah, but just take our word for it, right? The voice you hear is none other than brian reeves brian with a why thank you

that right i know um i've had the pleasure of being on brian's podcast uh one time and then two times

that's right they're not public yet by the time this comes out they might be i won't have been i don't

think but either way.

Maybe once, but yeah. I mean, Brian, I've known you for about, what, seven years. And in that time, I mean, I've read a lot of your work. Brian's an amazing writer. I've seen you speak a couple times. You're an amazing speaker too. Thank you. I think you're just really great at articulating and taking emotional concepts and simplifying

them or at least making them consumable.

Yeah.

Thank you.

I don't know what job description you have.

You know, you know what I realized what it is?

I'm good at making maps, drawing maps. I'm a map maker. You know, you know what I realized what it is, I'm good at making maps, drawing maps. I'm a

map maker, you know, drawing a map of human dynamics, relationship dynamics, or taking what other

people are, are trying to articulate and translate, translating that into a map that we can then

find ourselves and say, oh, okay, I'm here.

And if I want to get there, if you want to get to New York and you don't know where you're standing right now,

you have no idea which direction to point yourself in.

That's absolutely true, especially if the maps you were given previously or for Chicago,

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