Hi friends. On last week's episode, we discussed how people can become addicted to social

media, how cognitive biases that we don't know even exist in our brains are being manipulated

by almost every social media that exists and how your phone is essentially a hacker in

your pocket. The feedback this week's been absolutely fantastic. I've got so many tweets

and messages from people saying that they are trying to reduce their phone time and this

has helped to open their eyes to why it's not necessarily their fault. This week I'm

sitting down with Kai Wei who is the CEO of the lightphone.com and they think that they

have developed a product which can enable us to spend more time off screen. I do think

that there's an important question to be asked here and it is, can we fix the problem

of too much technology with more technology? That's a question you'll have to answer yourself.

Also I do want to say that I was not sponsored or paid to interview Kai and I found him off

my own back because of how interested I was in the product and I wanted to hear his philosophy

on it. I also want to say that I'm considering buying one after my conversation with him but

that's completely independent. So here we go, Kai Wei.

So Kai, welcome to Modern Wisdom. Very good to meet you. Thanks for having me. Thank you very

much for coming on, man. You are CEO of the lightphone. That's correct. So I got introduced

to the product from a friend who just linked me to online and I had a browse around and

it seemed it's a real unique device as far as I can see. For those people who think that

technology is moving in one direction which is more functionality, more integration with

our lives and you guys have come up with a product which kind of goes in the complete opposite

direction. Do you think that would be fair to say?

Yeah, I see a lot of press mentioned as an anti-small phone but we always wanted to

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