Hello and welcome to the Feeling Good podcast.

I am your host, Fabrice Knight.

And joining me here in the Murrieta Studios is Dr. David Burns.

Hi, David.

Hi, Fabrice.

Dr. David Burns has been a pioneer in the development of cognitive therapy, and he is the creator of the new team therapy. He is the author of

Feeling Good, which has sold over 5 million copies in the United States, and has been translated into

over 20 languages. He is an emeritus adjunct clinical professor

of psychiatry at the Stanford University School of Medicine. So David, I think today we're going

to refer back to one of the chapters in the Feeling Good book where you talk about sadness. sadness is sadness and depression the same thing

you know sadness is not depression and this is really about what you call healthy versus

unhealthy emotions and and that's I think a good useful topic because the question is, why are we doing this work?

What are we trying to accomplish?

Are we supposed to be happy all the time?

So what do you have to say to that?

Right.

And again, good to see you today, and thanks coming over, giving me and both of us the chance

to share some ideas and stories and thoughts that might be hopefully of interest to folks.

But I don't think that human beings should, know try to be happy all the time and I

sometimes say to my patients that I think we're all entitled to five happy days per week

and two miserable days per week and have we gone over that already or in a previous podcast? I don't think so.

Okay. Well, if you don't have your five happy days per week, you need a little mental

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