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Hello. following podcast contains explicit language. Hello and welcome to the B-side of Episode 5 of our national conversation about conversations

about race, the I-check-all-the-boxes episode. I'm Tanner Colby here in Panoply's New York

Studios with my co-host Baratum Day Thurston.

Hello, sir.

Yo!

And Anan Girdidas, who is here filling in for our regular co-host, the wonderful Raquel Sepeda,

who is away on assignment for the New York Times at Havasu Falls and the Havasupai reservation at the bottom of the Grand Canyon.

Let's say yes.

I'm going to go with that.

You did great.

Okay.

Anon is the author most recently of the True American, Murder and Mercy in Texas,

winner of the 2015 New York Public Library Helen Bernstein Book Award for Excellence in Journalism and also a columnist for the New York Times.

Thank you for joining us.

So happy to be here.

Yes.

So we are down one gender,

but we are up. Up one ethnic group. Yeah. Kind of a diversity trade. Well, this has been a consistent

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