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this season. But again, it's not a competition. Wayfair, every style, every home. On this episode,

we cover the Joe Rogan Experience 2,395, with guest investigative journalist Mariana von Zella.

The No Rogan Experience starts now. Welcome back to the show. It's a show where two podcasters with 140 hours of Rogan experience get to know Joe Rogan.

It's a show for anyone who's curious about Joe Rogan, his guests and their claims, as well as just anybody who wants to understand Joe's ever-growing

media influence. I'm Michael Marshall. I'm joined as ever by Cecil Ciceroa. And today we're

going to be covering Joe's October 2025 interview with investigative journalist Mariana von

Zella. So, Cecil, how did Joe introduce Mariana in the show note here?

I just want to point out that in the...

Before I get to that, Marsh, in the spirit of investigative journalism, I listened to a full

extra episode of her on Joe Rogan's show.

You did?

You're very diligent.

You do the due diligence. You put the extra hours in.

It's not because- I just got to relate to this story. Before we get into the episode, this is the best.

I normally Marsh is responsible, normally the responsible one between the two of us, he starts the notes.

So what will happen is we have a topic. Marsh will take the transcript, put it into a file, and then he starts listening and breaking it out into pieces that we can use on our show.

He does this for, we've recorded at this point 48 episodes.

I would say a good 40 episodes have Marsh starting the show.

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